i brought this up before, but everyone said they weren't experiencing it and i went to check whether my brains was correctly functioning. it's not, but i'm still certain that there are inifinite loops on all 404 pages, resulting from the fix that was installed to find items linked with the old message ids. check it: http://lists.evolt.org/404archive/Week-of-Mon-20020225/date.html if you guys could explain what's handling the 404s here, i'd be happy to take a look. thanks, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com