[Javascript] accessing a form element

Tue Apr 6 13:25:26 CDT 2004

> The exaggaration is in your personal view of MSDN, but sure, we are all
> free to think whatever we wish.

That is true. I don't believe I stated that you were not allowed to or that
it was anything other than my opinion, and my opinion alone. If anything,
your Anti-MS sentiment seems to show that you're hoping to change some
opinions. I'm just proclaiming mine...

> And, then, to state that Microsoft should be responsible for most of the
> languages and techniques described on the web is really exaggarating it.

Ok, so we've definitely established that you have a problem with me stating
my opinion. So much so, you're going to run down the list of statements and
tell me how wrong I am.

Now by me saying they have a comprehensive collection of information - true
whether you wish to believe it or not - and you putting words into my mouth
by saying that I believe Microsoft should be responsible for most of the
languages it sounds like you'd rather start an argument instead of having a
discussion.

> You state this by saying that MSDN is the most comprehensive collection
> of Developer information on the net. I'm a developer in many areas of
> software and the internet, and I can't find anything I need on MSDN.

I might suggest that you do not know how to use the site.

> didn't find any docs covereing PostGreSQL. No PHP language overview. No
> Java tutorial.

Ahhh, being the most comprehensive does not mean it is complete.  I'm pretty
sure you won't find many Cobol references or any Pascal.  It's so large
though, that if you dig enough, you just might find something on them.

Let me ask you this: Do the PHP and Java sites you go to have the voluminous
amounts of information regarding ASP, VB, C#, JavaScript, etc, etc that
Microsoft does?

> So maybe you did mean Microsoft propriety documentation after all, like
> I stated in my earlier mail?

I meant documentation that helps me get the job done is BOTH IE and NN if I
have a question about a property, event, method, etc... Mind you, that's
using up-to-date versions of the respective browsers.  When something else
takes over a sizable chunk of my viewing audience, I'll figure out where
I've got to go from there. I also use Interdev and SQL Server...

If I develop desktop Apps, then I use VB6 or .Net. So of course I'm going to
have the opinion that Microsoft suits my needs and has everything I need.

> If you're about to start working with XML in a
> non-Windows environment and you're resource for that is MSDN, you are
> going to get fired very soon.

Seeing as MSDN is designed for Windows users, and you're talking about
working in a non-Windows environment, I don't see that as being such a big
shock.

> Finally, far, far from all developers ever use Microsofts products. For
> those developers, MSDN is just a slow, bloated pile of non-standardised
> crap. Being one of those developers, developing for Microsoft products
> only when absolutely necessary, I will never ever think that MSDN is the
> most comprehensive collection of developer information on the net.

Like I said - whether you will ever think it or not -  MSDN is the most
comprehensive collection of developer information on the net. Unless that
is, you can show me a better collection.

Now to finish this long email off, I have NO idea why you took such umbrage
to me making such a simple statement. Is your hatred for Microsoft that
great? You don't see me ridiculing whatever technologies you decide to use,
do you?

I just find it ironic (and irritating) that you started your e-mail off by
acting as though my statement was infringing on your right to an opinion.

Chris Tifer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Håkan Magnusson" <hakan at backbase.com>
To: "[JavaScript List]" <javascript at LaTech.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Javascript] accessing a form element

Regards,
H

Chris T wrote:

> Maybe I should clarify it:  Most comprehensive collection of Developer
> information on the Net. Without a doubt. There's no exaggeration in that
> statement.
>
> Microsoft is great. I watch their webcasts all the time too:
> http://microsoft.com/webcasts
>
> Nobody else is putting as much quality content on the web to help
> developers.  Even if it is being used to benefit them, it's still an
> impressive collection.
>
> Chris Tifer
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Håkan Magnusson" <hakan at backbase.com>
> To: "[JavaScript List]" <javascript at LaTech.edu>
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [Javascript] accessing a form element
>
>
> Isn't that overexaggarating it a bit? Perhaps the most comprehensive
> collection of information on the net... on Microsoft proprietary issues.
> ;) On a sidenote, the left navigation doesn't show up correctly in
> Mozilla, so I guess that if you want to access Microsofts view of
> things, you'll need to use their browser.
>
> Regards,
> H
>
> Chris T wrote:
>
>
>>http://msdn.microsoft.com/library
>>
>>Click on Web Development | HTML and Dynamic HTML | SDK Documentation |
>>Reference and you'll have a list of everything you need.
>>
>>I consider this to be by far the most comprehensive collection of
>>information on the Net.
>>
>>Chris Tifer
>>http://emailajoke.com
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Håkan Magnusson" <hakan at backbase.com>
>>To: "[JavaScript List]" <javascript at LaTech.edu>
>>Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 10:10 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Javascript] accessing a form element
>>
>>
>>I've never liked MSDN's way of "organizing", meaning I can't find squat
>>on their site, but someone else here can probably tell you where their
>>JavaScript-reference is.
>>
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