[Javascript] IE work-a-round question (re: checkboxes) OT

[John Warner]

Imagine a world where developers think the user is king and develop for the user’s benefit instead of stroking their own ego. Learn to love your users and accept what they toss at you. Right now users are 70% or so of the time tossing some form of IE at you. What are standards indeed. In the US we have a Constitution, NO ONE can agree on what it means.

 

John Warner

 

From: javascript-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:javascript-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Kamaleshwar Morjal
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 2:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [Javascript] IE work-a-round question (re: checkboxes) OT

 

 

On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Peter Brunone <peter at brunone.com> wrote:


    Not to throw fuel on this particular fire (did you really think you wouldn't start a huge flamey discussion with those comments in the original post?) but if IE still has "60% of the market", how can Firefox be "beating all IEs in popularity"?
    Joel Spolsky had a great article about the fanatics on both sides of the fence on this issue.  It's worth a read, if you have the time:
http://joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/03/17.html

Cheers,

Peter


<flameshield>
Hmmm.. "What the hell is a standard?"
Well, whatever it be.. If everyone choses to follow it, it can be improvised
for everyone's benefit. BUT! Imagine a world where every browser mfr has
"their own standard". Imagine a world where every browser manufacturer
has the M$ mentality!! What do you see beyond that?? I can only see
unmanageable, unimaginable chaos!
</flameshield>
Cheers! 
{ 
hoping people always tend to move towards 'something' called
global standards, rather than their own "what's-in-it-for-me"-motivated-standards
}
PS(1): By the way, anyone and everyone around me uses anything but IE..
One more valid point for me being IE is not available for the OS i and my
friends use. Most other 'preferable' (according to us) browsers are available
on all platforms that we use (including M$ windoze). All IE-boys out there 
should rather accept now that the world does not end at windoze.

PS(2): My opinion does not, in any way, seem biased to me; rather logical.
Because I believe in having a choice rather than letting someone else control
every aspect of my computing experience. And the numbers of people like
me are "rising" with increasing "awareness". +ve trait, i believe ;)


cheers again.. :o)
 


From: tedd tedd at sperling.com


At 5:37 PM -0400 4/12/08, John Warner wrote:
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>I'm always amazed that it is called wasting time to make your code 
>work with IE. Last I checked IE is 70 to 80% of all browsers out 
>there. What puzzles me is why anyone would set out to code to 30% of 
>browsers and then tweak to fit 70%, seems backwards to me. Like, 
>hate, or whatever MS this just seems backwards to me. Argue all you 
>want about standards or whatever, I live in the real world and try 
>to code accordingly. I'm reminded of the fellow who is standing in 
>the pouring rain cursing the rain, like somehow this will make the 
>rain stop. Get used to it, sometimes it rains, that is the real 
>world.
>
>John Warner


John:

I live in the imaginary world where I assume that all browsers comply 
with standards.

However often after testing, I must revisit the real world and adjust 
my code accordingly because M$ is the last to follow standards. 
Remember, M$ always has a better idea and that always revolves around 
control, which usually means "What's in it for M$".

Now, don't give me a lecture about how profit is the bottom line for 
all business because that's not true. The fact is that M$ is big 
enough to throw it's weight around to make life as difficult as they 
can for everyone because they want more control of the market -- and 
that's not because they have a better idea, for they seldom do.

The good news is that they are apparently losing control due to 
competition -- and that's why we are seeing the success of browsers 
like FireFox, who's beating all IEs in popularity. And why we see 
languages like php making headway into areas that asp controlled 
before. Do you JSCRIPT anymore or just write javascript? See what I 
mean?

The days of M$ are NOT over, but their death grip on technology is 
loosening. Then again, that's my point of view and I live in an 
imaginary world.

In the end, M$ does what they do and I do what I do. I would rather 
write good clean code (in all languages) that supports standards than 
do otherwise. YMMV.

Cheers,

tedd

PS: The last time I checked, M$ browsers controlled less than 60% of 
the market and that number is declining, not increasing. There's hope 
yet. :-)


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