On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Elfur Logadottir wrote: > exactly, but those that are administrators should be there, cause that's > what the admin list should be for. ('specially since we've moved the other > discussion over here). and yet, as i catch up on email after being gone for the weekend, the discussion on the admin at lists.evolt.org list continues with 50 new messages since friday mostly debating the future and power that this list should have. the backstabbing continues behind closed doors while everyone plays nice here in public. bullshit. i've only skimmed that list because i'd rather do something productive for evolt like getting this survey out for tonite. it's never ceased to amaze me how much time people can put into argueing the future of evolt and which way it should be run, and by who. Yet when asked to actually do something tangible for evolt besides postulating its future, they're out of time. obviously i'm in a cranky mood again or something. i look in my 'good ideas' folder and see at least 15 really good ideas for evolt in there that have been suggested in the short time this list has been around. i think its a shame that those ideas are getting left along the wayside while the majority of the discussion here and behind closed doors continues to focus not on positive things for evolt, but on the reasons why a select group of people should be allowed to edit articles in private.(for example) are these discussions really furthering evolt.org as a community? are they making evolt a better, more useful place for the web developers of the world? are you, by soley contributing in the way of endless arguements about minor issues in the grand scheme of things, building community? just some thoughts to address a lot of the issues i'm seeing lined up, but won't read because, frankly, i've got better shit to do. .djc.